Swinger and Open Relationship Communities in Bali: What Tourists Should Know
A factual overview of Bali's swinger and open relationship scene, how it operates discreetly, the legal risks under Indonesian law, and what happens if authorities get involved.
By Larry Timothy • 12 June 2026 • 14 min read
- Bali has a real, active swinger and open-relationship community — but it operates almost entirely in private, by word of mouth, and with deliberate invisibility from authorities.
- Indonesian law does not recognise consensual adult activities between unmarried people as a protected category. KUHP Article 284 criminalises adultery (zina) and Law No. 44/2008 on Pornography sweeps in a broad range of "pornographic acts."
- Being a foreign tourist does not grant immunity. Foreigners have been arrested, deported, and banned from re-entry for behaviour deemed immoral under Indonesian law.
- What triggers police action is almost never the private act itself — it is complaints from neighbours, tips from taxi drivers or tour guides, public social media posts, or bribery attempts that go wrong.
- The only practical risk-management strategy is complete discretion: private villas with perimeter security, encrypted communications, no discussion with local service providers, and zero social media presence relating to lifestyle activities while in-country.
- Immigration authorities hold the power to deny entry or deport anyone for "behaviour contrary to Indonesian moral values" — a standard that is vague by design.
Table of Contents
- What the Scene Actually Looks Like in Bali
- The Legal Reality: Indonesian Law on Consensual Adults
- KUHP Article 284: Adultery and Zina
- Law No. 44/2008 on Pornography
- Cohabitation Regulations
- How the Community Operates Discreetly
- What Actually Triggers Police Involvement
- Open Relationships vs. Casual Encounters: Does the Law Distinguish?
- Risk Level Summary Table
- Practical Advice for Visitors
- The Immigration Angle: Deportation and Re-entry Bans
- Frequently Asked Questions
What the Scene Actually Looks Like in Bali
Bali has a lifestyle community. Anyone who has spent meaningful time in Seminyak, Canggu, or Sanur and moved in certain social circles will eventually hear about it. Private villa parties, closed Telegram groups, invitation-only gatherings in rented clifftop properties — the infrastructure exists, it is used regularly, and a significant portion of the participants are long-term expatriates or frequent visitors rather than first-time tourists.
The scene is not advertised, not listed in travel guides, and deliberately avoids the kind of visibility that would attract either tourist curiosity or police attention. There are no swinger clubs operating openly in Bali in the way that such venues operate in Amsterdam, Berlin, or certain cities in Australia and the United States. What exists instead is a network built almost entirely on trust, personal referral, and private communication channels.
The expat population that anchors this community skews heavily toward Western Europeans, Australians, and North Americans who have spent at least several months on the island, often on long-stay visas or remote worker arrangements. Many are in committed relationships — couples who came to Bali partly because its private villa culture makes lifestyle activities more feasible than in their home countries, where discretion is harder to arrange. The villa-centric character of Bali's accommodation sector is genuinely useful here: a well-fenced property with a private pool, a dedicated team of staff who are accustomed to discretion, and no shared corridors or lobby areas creates a very different environment from a hotel.
What it is not — and this matters for understanding the legal situation — is a scene that Indonesian law has formally accommodated or tacitly tolerated. Its existence reflects the difficulty of enforcing morality laws against private behaviour inside rented properties. It does not reflect any legal protection or official tolerance for the activities involved.
The Legal Reality: Indonesian Law on Consensual Adults
Indonesia does not have a framework that recognises consensual adult sexual activity between unmarried people as a protected category. This is the foundational legal fact that every visitor to Bali who is considering lifestyle activities needs to understand, and it is more significant than most Western travellers expect.
In countries like Australia, the United Kingdom, Germany, and most of continental Europe, the legal baseline for adult sexual activity is consent. Two (or more) consenting adults who are not breaking specific laws around age, public indecency, or commercial sex can generally engage in whatever private sexual behaviour they choose without criminal exposure. Indonesia does not share this baseline. The legal framework is built on a different set of values — explicitly grounded in state religious principles — and it criminalises categories of behaviour that Western legal systems do not.
The three key legal instruments that matter for anyone in the lifestyle community visiting Bali are KUHP Article 284, Law No. 44/2008 on Pornography, and local regulations on cohabitation. Each operates somewhat independently and covers different aspects of behaviour, but together they create a legal environment in which even thoroughly private consensual adult activities carry real criminal exposure.
KUHP Article 284: Adultery and Zina
The KUHP (Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Pidana) is Indonesia's Criminal Code. Article 284 addresses adultery — defined in Indonesian law as sexual intercourse between a person who is married and someone who is not their spouse. The penalty is imprisonment of up to nine months.
The 2022 revision of the KUHP, which came into full force in stages, expanded the scope of this provision in ways that matter significantly for lifestyle travellers. The revised KUHP introduced criminalisation of sexual intercourse between unmarried people (often referred to as zina in the context of Indonesian law, drawing on Islamic legal terminology), not just married-person adultery. Article 413 of the revised KUHP criminalises "fornication" — sexual intercourse between people who are not married to each other — with a penalty of up to one year of imprisonment.
Critically, this provision applies to any person within Indonesian territory, including foreign nationals. The defence that "this is legal in my home country" has no standing in an Indonesian court. Indonesian criminal law is territorial — it applies to everyone present in Indonesia regardless of their nationality, and regardless of whether the act would be legal or even unremarkable in their country of origin.
Enforcement of Article 284 and Article 413 has historically been complaint-driven — meaning that authorities typically act when a third party files a complaint rather than conducting proactive investigations into private behaviour. But "complaint-driven" does not mean "unenforced." When complaints are made, police do investigate, and arrests do occur. The Reuters coverage of Indonesia's criminal code reforms in December 2022 noted widespread concern from civil liberties organisations precisely because of the potential for these provisions to be weaponised through complaints.
For more on how these provisions intersect with everyday romantic behaviour in Bali, the guide to romance and public decency laws covers the broader context in detail.
Law No. 44/2008 on Pornography
Law No. 44/2008 on Pornography (Undang-Undang Nomor 44 Tahun 2008 tentang Pornografi) is Indonesia's primary statute governing pornographic and sexually explicit content and acts. Its definition of "pornographic acts" is notably broad and extends well beyond the filming or distribution of explicit material — it includes the physical performance of acts deemed pornographic in the presence of others.
Article 4 of the law prohibits "producing, making, reproducing, duplicating, spreading, broadcasting, importing, exporting, offering, selling, renting, or providing pornography." The phrase "pornographic acts" (perbuatan pornografi) in Article 10 refers to acts performed in a way that can be seen, witnessed, or recorded — language that courts have applied to group sexual activities even when no recording is made.
The maximum penalty for producing pornographic content under Article 29 is 12 years of imprisonment and a fine of IDR 6 billion (approximately USD 375,000). For participating in or facilitating "pornographic performances" under Article 36, the maximum is 15 years.
The law's breadth has been a subject of academic criticism. As Human Rights Watch documented, the law's vague moral standards create significant room for interpretation by individual prosecutors and judges. What constitutes a violation can depend heavily on the specific moral views of the presiding officer, which creates unpredictability that is itself a risk factor.
For those specifically interested in how this law applies to adult content creation, the guide to filming adult content in Bali provides a more detailed breakdown of its provisions and enforcement history.
Cohabitation Regulations
Beyond the national criminal code and the pornography law, Bali and other Indonesian regions have implemented local regulations (Peraturan Daerah, or Perda) that address cohabitation by unmarried people. These regulations vary by regency but generally prohibit unmarried couples from residing together or sharing accommodation. Penalties are typically administrative fines at the local level, but they can also result in reports to immigration authorities in the case of foreign nationals.
In practice, these regulations are most often invoked in the context of long-stay arrangements — someone effectively living with a partner in a rented property — rather than tourists staying in villas for a week. But the legal basis exists, and in contexts where authorities are already investigating other matters, cohabitation regulations can add an additional layer of legal exposure.
The broader legal discussion of how Indonesian law treats unmarried couples is covered in the public decency laws guide and in the LGBTQ safety guide for 2026, which addresses related questions about relationship recognition under Indonesian law.
How the Community Operates Discreetly
The lifestyle community in Bali has developed operational practices that reflect a clear-eyed understanding of the legal environment. None of what follows is presented as an endorsement of these practices or as a guide to circumventing Indonesian law — it is a factual description of how the community actually functions, based on publicly reported information and documented accounts from those who have written about the scene.
Private Villas
The defining characteristic of the Bali lifestyle scene is its near-total reliance on private villa infrastructure. Unlike swinger venues in Europe or North America, which often operate as licensed commercial premises with bouncers, membership systems, and defined operating hours, Bali's scene uses privately rented residential villas as its venue of choice.
A typical high-end private villa in Seminyak or Canggu will have a walled perimeter, a staffed security gate, a private pool screened from neighbouring properties, and staff who are employed by the villa management company rather than by the guests. This creates an environment where what happens inside the property is genuinely difficult for outside parties to observe — and where the staff have both a professional and a financial incentive to maintain their guests' privacy.
The villa rental market in Bali offers properties across a wide range of price points, but properties suitable for privacy-sensitive gatherings tend to sit at the upper end. Daily rates for four-to-six bedroom properties with genuine perimeter security in Seminyak or Canggu range from approximately USD 500 to USD 2,000. For those concerned about rental scams when booking these properties, the guide to Bali villa rental scams outlines the booking practices that reduce risk.
Encrypted Communications
The community relies almost exclusively on encrypted messaging platforms — primarily Telegram and Signal — for coordination. Public platforms (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp with non-encrypted backups, dating apps with location sharing) are avoided entirely for anything related to lifestyle activities. Telegram groups for this community are closed — joining requires an invitation from an existing member, and the groups are typically administered with verification steps to screen out newcomers who cannot be vouched for.
This communication pattern is partly a response to Indonesia's ITE Law (Undang-Undang Informasi dan Transaksi Elektronik), which criminalises electronic content deemed to violate public decency. Any discussion of lifestyle activities on a platform that could be monitored or screenshotted by a reporting party creates legal exposure under the ITE Law independent of any physical act. End-to-end encrypted platforms with disappearing messages address this risk to the extent that any technology can.
Invitation-Only Events
Gatherings are invitation-only and typically limited to people who have been introduced through personal networks rather than online acquaintance. The community is aware that police infiltration of social groups and the use of informants are documented tactics in Indonesian enforcement operations — the 2017 raid on a gay party at the Top Club in Jakarta, covered extensively by BBC News, is a widely cited example of how quickly a seemingly private gathering can become a police operation when a tip is received. The lifestyle community has absorbed this lesson and applied it to its own operational security.
No Public Advertising
There is no public advertising — no leaflets, no venue listings in expat directories, no presence on mainstream websites or apps accessible from Indonesia. The absence of a public-facing aspect is deliberate and maintained as a collective norm. Members who violate it by posting publicly — even vaguely — are typically removed from group communications immediately.
What Actually Triggers Police Involvement
Understanding what leads to police action is at least as important as understanding the law itself, because the law is rarely the direct trigger. In Indonesia, as in many countries with moral conduct laws, enforcement is overwhelmingly complaint-driven. Authorities do not routinely station officers outside private villas hoping to gather evidence of consensual adult behaviour. What brings the police is a specific tip, complaint, or incident that creates political or social pressure to act.
Complaints from Neighbours
The most common trigger is a complaint from a neighbouring property or community member. Bali's Banjar system — the traditional community governance structure — means that local residential communities are closely networked and highly attentive to unusual activity in their neighbourhood. An unusual volume of vehicles arriving and leaving a villa at night, noise at unusual hours, or visible activity that attracts attention will be noticed. In many cases it will be reported — either to the Banjar head, who may contact police, or directly to the police complaint line.
Bali's local Banjar leadership tends to take a dim view of behaviour they consider disrespectful to community values, and the combination of a foreign national tenant, unusual gathering patterns, and a complaint creates a situation that police feel compelled to investigate. The investigation itself — even if it produces no prosecution — typically results in the villa being raided, guests being questioned, documents being checked, and significant disruption.
Social Media Posts That Become Public
A post that was intended to be shared within a closed group — a photo at a gathering, a check-in, a story that was screen-recorded and shared outside its intended audience — is one of the most consistent pathways to police involvement. Indonesian authorities actively monitor social media for content that appears to violate the Pornography Law or the ITE Law, and members of the public regularly report content they find offensive.
The cases documented in the context of adult content creation — covered in detail in the adult content filming guide — demonstrate that Indonesian authorities can act very quickly once content is flagged. The timeline from viral post to police involvement can be measured in hours.
Tips from Taxi Drivers and Tour Guides
This may sound surprising to Western visitors, but it is consistently reported by long-term Bali residents: local taxi drivers, tour guides, and hospitality workers are a source of police tips. This is not because they are morally opposed to the activities — though some are — but because the Indonesian police have formal informant programs that pay for tips leading to arrests, and because local workers sometimes feel that foreign behaviour that they consider disrespectful to Balinese culture deserves to be reported.
Discussing lifestyle activities with a driver, asking a tour guide to recommend "party" venues of a certain type, or making enquiries of hotel staff about where to find similar social circles is a significant operational security failure. It creates a witness who may later provide a statement to police.
Bribery Attempts That Backfire
Indonesia has a well-documented culture of informal payments in interactions with police and officials, and some travellers assume that if police do arrive at a gathering, an informal payment will resolve the situation. This assumption is dangerous for two reasons. First, Indonesian law prohibits bribery (Pasal 5-6 UU No. 20/2001 tentang Pemberantasan Tindak Pidana Korupsi), and the offer of a bribe can itself become a criminal charge. Second, not all officers will accept informal payments, and an offer to an officer who is conducting a formal investigation — particularly one who has been observed by colleagues or has body camera footage — can make the underlying situation significantly worse. Cases where foreigners offered payments that were rejected and subsequently added bribery to their list of charges are documented in Indonesian court records.
For a broader understanding of how commercial sex operations and related enforcement work in Bali, the guide to Bali prostitution laws for tourists provides relevant context on police operations in this space.
Open Relationships vs. Casual Encounters: Does the Law Distinguish?
A question that comes up frequently is whether Indonesian law treats a couple in a committed, mutually agreed open relationship differently from more casual multiple-partner arrangements. The honest answer is: not in any meaningful way that provides legal protection.
Indonesian law is structured around the institution of marriage, not around the nature of consent or the emotional character of relationships. From the perspective of KUHP Article 413 (fornication between unmarried people), what matters is whether the individuals involved are married to each other. A couple who have been in a committed open relationship for ten years and have detailed written agreements about their arrangement are in the same legal position as people who met forty-eight hours ago. Neither relationship type is recognised as a basis for exemption from the law's provisions.
This is genuinely counterintuitive for travellers from jurisdictions where relationship recognition has expanded significantly in recent decades. In Bali, a couple who are legally married to each other in their home country are in a stronger legal position than an unmarried couple, even if the unmarried couple have a more stable and committed relationship in practice. The institution of marriage — specifically Indonesian-recognised marriage — is the dividing line, and no amount of contractual agreement, legal documentation from another country, or evidence of long-term commitment crosses it under Indonesian law.
Same-sex couples face additional exposure because same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage are not recognised under Indonesian law at any level. The LGBTQ safety guide for 2026 covers this dimension in specific detail, but the short answer is that same-sex couples engaging in any lifestyle activity face the full application of laws that criminalise non-marital sexual activity, without even the partial protection that heterosexual married couples might claim.
Risk Level Summary Table
| Situation | Primary Legal Exposure | Practical Risk Level |
|---|---|---|
| Private villa gathering, no social media, no complaints | KUHP Art. 413; Pornography Law Art. 4/10 | Low — but not zero |
| Private villa gathering, neighbour complaint filed | KUHP Art. 413; Pornography Law Art. 36 | High — raid likely |
| Content posted on social media (any platform) | Pornography Law Art. 29-30; ITE Law Art. 27(1) | Very High — quick action |
| Discussion with taxi driver or tour guide | Indirect — creates informant risk | High — tip to police |
| Bribery attempt if police arrive | UU No. 20/2001 (Anti-Corruption Law) | Very High — compounds charges |
| Same-sex couple in any lifestyle context | KUHP Art. 413; local Perda; Pornography Law | Very High — no legal recognition |
| Married couple (recognised marriage) in private | Pornography Law Art. 10 if third parties involved | Medium — partial protection only |
Practical Advice for Visitors
If you are visiting Bali and are part of a lifestyle community, the following practices are what long-term community members with meaningful experience of the local legal environment actually apply. This is not a guarantee of legal safety — no set of practices can provide that given the laws described above — but it reflects the difference between the very low incident rate that characterises the careful end of the community and the higher incident rate that characterises people who approach Bali as though it were Berlin or Barcelona.
Villa Selection and Security
Choose a villa with genuine perimeter security: high walls or dense hedging along all boundaries, a staffed security gate, and a pool that is not visible from any neighbouring property or public road. Before booking, ask explicitly about the property's privacy features. Reputable villa rental platforms will have detailed property photos — look for properties where the pool area is clearly enclosed. Be wary of villas that are adjacent to local neighbourhood housing rather than being set within their own grounds. The villa rental scam guide also has useful advice on verifying that properties are what they claim to be before handing over deposits.
Villa Staff
Most private villa staff are professionals who respect guest privacy as a basic aspect of their job. However, it is naive to assume that staff are entirely unobservant. Avoid any behaviour that explicitly signals the nature of a gathering to staff members. Keep common areas used when staff are present to normal social activity. Many experienced community members schedule gatherings during periods when villa staff are off-site — typically after their standard working hours, when staff have returned home for the evening.
Communications Before, During, and After
Use Signal or Telegram with end-to-end encryption and disappearing messages for all coordination. Do not use Instagram DMs, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp without checking that backup encryption is enabled, or any platform that retains message history in a server-side accessible format. After a gathering, delete message threads. Never share photographs from a gathering on any platform, including platforms you consider private. Screenshots are trivially easy to take and share outside their intended context.
Local Service Providers
Do not discuss lifestyle activities with any local service provider. This includes drivers (including Grab and Gojek drivers), tour guides, villa booking agents, restaurant staff, or anyone else in a commercial service relationship. The question of where to find "certain types of parties" should never be directed to a local. Keep social conversations with local service providers to the standard topics — Balinese culture, food recommendations, day trip suggestions.
Social Media: Complete Silence
This cannot be overstated. No check-ins. No photos. No vague stories that hint at the nature of a gathering. No posts with groups of people that could be pieced together with other information. The person who posts a "great time with new friends in Seminyak" story with a villa tag and identifiable faces has created an evidence trail that is extremely difficult to walk back. The Indonesian authorities' monitoring of social media for morality law violations is real and documented.
The Immigration Angle: Deportation and Re-entry Bans
Indonesia's immigration framework gives authorities very broad discretion to deport foreign nationals and impose re-entry bans for behaviour deemed contrary to Indonesian values. Under Law No. 6/2011 on Immigration (Undang-Undang Nomor 6 Tahun 2011 tentang Keimigrasian), immigration officials may refuse entry, curtail a stay, or deport a foreign national who is considered a threat to public order or morality. The standard is intentionally vague — "public order or morality" is not defined with precision, which gives immigration officers significant personal discretion.
Re-entry bans following deportation are typically five years but can be permanent for cases deemed serious. A deportation for morality-related conduct appears in Indonesian immigration databases and will be visible to officers at any subsequent entry attempt — including entry attempts under a passport renewal, since biometric data is now cross-referenced. The assumption that a new passport or a name change resolves an immigration ban is incorrect under the current Indonesian biometric immigration system.
What triggers immigration action rather than (or in addition to) criminal prosecution is typically the same as what triggers police involvement: complaints, social media content, or high-profile incidents that attract media attention. Cases involving foreigners that receive local media coverage in Bali are almost always escalated to immigration review, and the immigration authority's response is typically faster and more administratively efficient than the criminal court process. Deportation can happen within days of an incident; a criminal prosecution takes months.
The immigration dimension means that the consequences of an incident extend well beyond any immediate legal penalty. A deportation from Indonesia and a re-entry ban eliminates future travel to one of the world's most visited destinations — and, depending on how it is recorded, may create complications with visa applications for other countries that ask about immigration history.
Frequently Asked Questions
Is there a legal swinger club in Bali?
No. There is no legally operating swinger club or lifestyle venue in Bali. Any venue that operated as such would be in direct violation of Indonesian law — specifically Law No. 44/2008 on Pornography and the KUHP provisions on fornication and adultery. The lifestyle scene that does exist in Bali operates entirely through private villa gatherings organised by personal networks, not through commercial premises. Anyone who claims to know of a "club" operating openly in this space is either misinformed or describing a venue that is taking serious legal risks, which in turn means that guests are also taking serious legal risks.
If everything happens in private, why is there any legal risk?
Because "private" in the Indonesian legal context does not function as a defence in the way that it does in many Western legal systems. Indonesian law does not have a blanket exemption for private consensual adult behaviour. The KUHP's fornication provision (Article 413 of the revised KUHP) applies to the act itself, regardless of whether it occurs in private. The Pornography Law's provisions on "pornographic acts" have been interpreted by prosecutors to apply to acts performed in a setting where multiple people are present, even without filming or distribution. The practical protection of privacy is that it reduces the likelihood of complaints or observation — it does not create a legal exemption.
What happens if police actually show up at a villa gathering?
The sequence typically begins with a police presence at the gate and a request to speak with the villa occupants. If officers have a valid complaint, they may enter the premises. Everyone present will be identified — passports, visas, and names will be recorded. Depending on the nature of the complaint and what officers observe, people may be questioned individually, taken to the police station for further questioning, or in serious cases detained. Immigration will typically be notified that foreign nationals are involved. The villa management company will almost certainly be informed, and guests may be asked to vacate the property.
The most important thing in this situation is to remain calm and cooperative, to not attempt to offer informal payments under any circumstances, and to contact your embassy or consulate and a qualified Indonesian lawyer as quickly as possible. The public decency laws guide has more on how these situations tend to develop.
Does being married (to each other) as a couple reduce legal risk?
Somewhat, but less than most people assume. A legally married heterosexual couple engaging in private consensual activity only with each other are in a much stronger legal position — the fornication provisions of the KUHP do not apply between married spouses, and the adultery provision (Article 284) requires involvement of a third party. However, if a gathering involves additional participants who are not married to each other, those participants remain fully exposed to the law regardless of the couple's marital status. The married couple themselves may also face exposure under the Pornography Law if the gathering takes on a character that prosecutors would describe as a "pornographic performance." Being married provides partial protection in a narrow factual scenario; it does not provide general protection for participation in a lifestyle community event.
Can lifestyle activities affect a future visa application for Indonesia?
Yes. If an incident results in a police report, deportation, or a formal note on your immigration record, this will affect future visa applications. Indonesia's Directorate General of Immigration maintains records of foreign nationals who have been deported or flagged for morality-related conduct. These records are accessible to visa processing officers. An Indonesian tourist visa application asks about previous immigration violations, and concealing a deportation is itself a ground for denial and potential blacklisting. Beyond Indonesia specifically, some countries ask visa applicants to disclose deportations from any country, which means that a Bali deportation could create complications for visa applications elsewhere.
Is Bali more tolerant than the rest of Indonesia because it is Hindu?
This is a widely held belief that does not hold up to scrutiny at the legal level. Bali is a Hindu-majority province within Indonesia, and Balinese culture has a different relationship with the human body and sexuality than mainstream Indonesian Islamic culture. Balinese temples feature explicit carvings; Balinese art has a sensuality that is not present in Islamic art forms. But none of this translates into legal tolerance for activities that violate national Indonesian law. The laws described in this article — the KUHP, the Pornography Law, the ITE Law — are national laws that apply uniformly across all Indonesian provinces including Bali. Bali's provincial government cannot exempt its residents or visitors from national criminal law.
What is true is that Bali's enforcement priorities have historically been different from, say, Aceh Province, which implements Sharia law locally and has its own separate enforcement apparatus. But Bali's own police and immigration authorities actively enforce national morality laws, particularly since Governor Koster made tourist behaviour a central political issue from 2024 onward. The perception that "Bali is different" has contributed to incidents that ended in deportation for foreigners who assumed that tolerance of Bali's beach culture extended to broader latitude for lifestyle activities.
Are there lawyers in Bali who specialise in these situations?
Yes. Bali has a well-developed expatriate legal services sector that includes lawyers experienced in immigration matters and criminal defence work involving foreign nationals. The Indonesian Bar Association (Perhimpunan Advokat Indonesia, or PERADI) maintains a directory of licensed practitioners. Your country's embassy in Jakarta or consulate in Bali can also provide a list of Indonesian lawyers who have experience working with foreign nationals in criminal or immigration matters. It is worth identifying a lawyer before you need one — having a contact number ready significantly reduces the response time if a situation develops. Legal fees in Bali for this type of representation vary widely; initial consultations with reputable firms typically run from USD 100 to USD 300.